But little is as telling as the way English clubs are performing in Europe at the moment.
Chelsea's Champions League victory papered over the cracks of group stage exits from the supposed behehmoths from Manchester.
This season the reigning champions are more or less out already, City looked doomed again and Manchester United have breezed through the group stage, but you wouldn't fancy them against any one of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, Bayern or Norwich City.
In amongst all these "Diaster! Triumph! Undeserved trophy wins built on being able to defend really, really deep!" narratives sit Arsenal.
Dependable qualifiers for the knockout stages, who will do so again tonight if they can beat Group B's bottom team, who have secured just one point so far.
What next for Arsenal? An exit, you'd imagine. You can add Dortmund, Porto, PSG, Malaga, AC Milan and probably Shakhtar Donetsk to that list of teams mentioned above in relation to Manchester United. For Arsenal to be eliminated against any of the group would not be hugely surprising.
They're a long way from being potential winners of this competition, and a long way from maintaining a proper fight for the domestic title.
The solution? Get Thierry back again!
Fine.
Team news and plenty more to follow, stay tuned.
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